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Jeff Buckley: The Lost Interview
How does it feel to have to do interviews?
Well, at the outset I guess I figured why would anybody care? But Iām smart enough to know that people would want to talk about my music. I just didnāt think anyone would for a publication. But at this point the fatigue hasnāt set in, and no question is a stupid one.
Itās still early.
[laughs] Mainly itās helpful because Iām getting some ideas out about exactly what I think about some things. And the important thing in doing interviews is not to have any pat answers. That would make it unenjoyable for me. Like a ā¦ a murder suspect or something, in terms of having your story straight.
Have you finished mixing the new album?
No, I have one last day in the studio ā one last gasp of creative breath before I have to go away. Iām totally pissed. Absolutely.
Did you write in the studio, or did you go in with the songs ready?
One of them was completely organized in the studio. But that was still prepared beforehand. A lot of stuff weād done at the last minute because I was trying to get the right people to play with, and it took a while before I found them.
But that was only three weeks before Iād gone up to Woodstock to record and we hadnāt known each other that long, and the band material hadnāt developed as much. Some things were completely crystallized, and some things needed care, and they got it. Iām still not satisfied.
Letās see: I get to go into the studio on Wednesday, the day before I leave and the night after I perform at [defunct NYC club] Wetlands. So I have one, two, three, four, five precious days to [work on the music], along with all the other stuff I have to do. I have to shoot some pictures, possibly for the album cover. Then at night Iām free to get these ideas together, and Iāll still have one last shot on two songs in particular. The producer [Andy Wallace] doesnāt even know what I want to do to this one song. [laughs] Heāll be horrified.
Have you played it out?
Uh-huh. There are just things I want to crystallize about it.
Is figuring songs out onstage a conscious effort on your part to fly or fail?
Yeah, because I love flying so much. But, really, itās still a kind of discipline. I guess itās an engagement. Itās not like having āsong 1 to song 6 and then a talk.ā I donāt know anybody who really does that. I know a lot of performers talk about not being so structured. ā¦ Sometimes you can see bands that have a set of songs, and that shit is dead. That ā¦ shit ā¦ is ā¦ dead.
When I perform, Iām working off rhythms that are happening all over the place, real or imagined, and itās interactive. Itās got a lot of detail to it, so I canāt afford to tie it up in a noose, and put it in a costume that doesnāt belong on me. So yeah, itās free but it has its own logic, and sometimes it completely falls flat on its face. But itās worth the fall, sometimes. Because thatās life.
To me it makes sense to do things in that manner, because thatās really just the way life is when you step out of it and see that, like, your car has a flat and somebody smashed in your windshield and then, shit, youāre walking home and all of a sudden you run into somebody that turns out to be your favorite person for the rest of your life. Itās always ā¦ unfolding. You just have to recognize it, I guess. And thatās my philosophy, that I havenāt really thought about until you asked me.
Have you been a solo performer out of desire or necessity?
Both. I did it to earn money to pay rent in the place I was staying, and bills, and my horrible CD habit, and failing miserably all the time, always playing for tips and always just getting by ā by the skin of my teeth.
To get this sound in order, you can have a path laid out in front of you, but if you donāt have the vehicle to go down the road youāll never get to where you want to go. So I guess I was building the parts piece by piece or going through different forms, reforming them and trying out different ideas and songs.
How long have you been building these parts?
Some of them I wrote when I was 18 or 19, and some of them I wrote weeks ago, and some of them Iām still writing. [laughs] The rest of this album is kind of a purging, because the rest of the albums aināt gonna happen like this. [points to chest] Youāll never see this person again.
Who and what are you going to become, Jeff?
I donāt know, just something deeper. Nothing alien, just something deeper. Iām just not satisfied. Iām really, horribly unsatisfied. Cause I kind of got an idea of where I want this thing to go. Itās still gonna be songs. I think about deepening the work that I do, and other problems I try to solve, like, āIf I go to see this band in a loft, or if I went to see this band in a theater, and I wanted to be very, very, very enchanted and very engaged and maybe even physically engaged to where Iām dancing or where Iām moshing, what would that sound like? If I wanted to be cradled like a baby or smashed around like a fucking Army sergeant, what would that sound like?ā I daydream all the time about it. And thatās sort of what I work toward. Itās more of an intimate thing.
In America the rock band is not an intimate thing, but in America soul bands are very intimate and blues bands are very intimate, like way back in the day, when people who invented blues were doing it. Itās all very interdependent and itās all very ā¦ people had to listen to make the music. And it comes around in a lot of different ways. Things Iām doing now are pretty old-fashioned: Iām going on tour to little places to play small cafĆ©s. [He lays his itinerary out in front of us.]
What do you expect the reaction to be? You play New York City and, by now, the people here know your deal, but there are some cities where theyāre not going to know.
Thatās OK.
Will you tailor your performance to different tour stops? Does it change the way you perform?
Every time I perform itās different.
How long have you been in New York City?
Three years. But Iāll always be here. Iāll always live here.
What is it about New York?
Everything. You know all the clichĆ©s: Itās the electricity, itās the creativity, itās the motion. Itās the availability of everything at any moment, which creates a complete, innate logic to the place. Itās like, thereās no reason why I shouldnāt have this now. Thereās no reason I shouldnāt have the best library in the country, and thereās no reason why the finest Qawwali singer in all of Pakistan shouldnāt come to my neighborhood and Iāll go see him, and thereās no reason that Bob Dylan shouldnāt show up at the Supper Club.
Thereās no reason that I canāt do this fucking amazing shit. And if you have a certain amount of self-esteem, itās the perfect place because thereās so much. Itās majestic and itās the cesspool of America. And thereās amazing poetry in everything. There are amazing poets everywhere, and some real horrible mediocrity, and an equal amount of pageantry. Thereās also a community of people that have been left with nothing but their ability to put on a show, no matter what it is ā whether itās a novel or a performance reading on Monday night at St. Markās Church for 20 minutes.
Where do you do the bulk of your writing?
Everywhere. You know what? Mostly itās in 24-hour diners, on too much coffee. Thatās an old Los Angeles thing.
How much does the location affect the writing?
To me music is about time and place and the way that it affects you. Thereās just something about it. Thereās just some spirit that somebody conjures up and then it floats out at you and helps you or hinders you throughout your life. Itās either Handelās Messiah or itās āAll Out of Loveā by Air Supply.
Music is just fucking insane. Itās everything. Music is like this: Itās always seemed to me to be one of the direct descendants of the thing in the universe thatās making everything work. Itās like the direct child of ā¦ life, [of] what being āpeopleā is all about. Itās incredibly human but it touches things that are around us anyway. [pauses, then quietly] Itās hard to explain.
Give it a shot.
It gets into your blood. It could be [the Ohio Expressā] āYummy Yummy Yummyā or whatever. It gets in. Itās not like paintings and itās not like sculptures, although those are really amazing and powerful. But I identify with music most.
And is live music the next degree of intensity?
Oh yeah, if theyāre singing to me. You never hear it again, but you never forget it. I mean, you never forget it. Itās like the first time your mother cries in front of you. But I like making [music] and ā¦ I want the music to live live, even be written live, so itās always forming, itās ever unfolding.
The king of improvisation is [the late Qawwali singer] Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan ā the most Iāve ever been filled with any performerās energy. I have over $500 of his stuff. And I never got to see Keith Jarrett, but there was a time when he was my big hero for the same reason. Big, huge improvisation. Improvisation is something that I identify with.
Which of your new songs is your favorite? Is there one that you canāt wait to get to in your live set?
Not yet. I give each song pretty much the same attention, and I have the same reservations and the same carefulness about making sure I bring out its best. No favorites.
Whatās a song by another artist that you wish youād written, that completely devastates you?
Most of Nina Simoneās songs completely devastate me, although she didnāt write [most of] them. A lot of things that Dylan did are so impressionistic, even though his originals are supposed to be folky. Like āSad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlandsā: If I was a woman and he sang that to me, Iād be like, āWhatever you want, Bob. You want casual sex whenever you want it and still be with your wife? I donāt care.ā
Iād like to write something like āMoaninā for My Babyā by Howlinā Wolf, and Iād also like to write something like [Gerry and the Pacemakersā] āYouāll Never Walk Alone.ā I have schoolgirl crushes on a lot of songs that never seem to go away. Lots of Cocteau Twins. Thatās somebody I got to tell exactly what I thought of them.
Where were they playing?
In Los Angeles, a long time ago on the Heaven or Las Vegas tour. Iām immensely in love with their originality, their shyness. ā¦ But ā¦ um ā¦ the Smiths! [stands up abruptly, then sits back down] I wish Iād written half the fucking Smiths catalog. There are so many: āI Know Itās Overā; I wish Iād written āHow Soon Is Now?ā I wish Iād written āHolidays in the Sunā by the Sex Pistols. I could go on forever, and I know you donāt have forever.
Maybe sleep on it. Iām curious, do you sleep a lot?
No, I donāt.
Is your mind constantly racing? Are you always just ā¦ fast forward?
Have you ever seen those film montages when a guyās going crazy, and it just gets faster and faster andā¦
Yeah, sure, thatās exactly what I mean.
Itās exactly like that. Itās like, I donāt want to miss a thing, and [I get the] feeling that I will miss something. But usually Iām wrong. [laughs] But when I do sleep, I sleep hard and have the best dreams.
Do you remember your dreams?
Sometimes, and they become the basis for a lot of my learning. That comes along with my development as a human being. Lately Iāve been having a lot of killer dreams ā like a killer is coming after me or I have to confront a killer. And when a killer is coming after me, what am I going to have to do? To kill him.
Interesting. What do you think that means?
That something in me is going to be murdered. That a psychic killer is coming. Actually, I met him. Sometimes I meet people inside of me that donāt like me; sometimes I meet people inside of me that want to make love with me more than anything; sometimes I meet the most bizarre animals and am in the most bizarre situations.
One dream, I met a serial killer who lived out in a small town in, like, Virginia. A small suburban town, very nice, white picket fence. And he lived in the town in a church with the pews taken out. And he was an artist.
You remember this much detail?
Just wait. He was a very short young man, probably about 28 years old with thinning black hair that I think he was ashamed of. He also had all of these photos of these people mangled beyond belief, carved up, dissected alive. They were still alive in these photos, and there was a wall of all of these seductively beautiful, textured, processed black-and-white photos. One man had been made into a basket. One man had been totally deboned but still kept alive, and his skin had been made into a basket upon which his head stood, looking straight into the camera. And right before he died, this snapshot was taken. And this is what this guyās job was. And my task in the dream, I was the person that saw this amazing horror and this amazing pain. The photographs were screaming, and all of this madness, all of this waste at the hands of this person with a warped soul.
The irony of the dream was that his self-esteem was nothing, and he was saying, āThis sucks. This is horrible. I donāt even want to show you.ā I was so afraid of him and wanted to keep him in the same place long enough for the police to get him and take him away ā while not being killed myself. Obviously. [laughs] So in order to be cool I had to ultimately be compassionate and point out the details in the picture where I felt there was brilliance and really good workmanship ā all the while feeling that I would vomit any second, all the while so scared I thought I would cry. And that was the dream.
Sometimes I have really rhapsodic dreams, and sometimes I have little bits of memory ā¦ but lately itās been killer dreams, and the police almost donāt come in time, although they do come in time. And then I met a woman inside me that hates me. I met the girl, I met the person that doesnāt like me, and then I met this person who was so lascivious sexually that she masturbates publicly all of the time, like sheās fixing her hair. And she looks beautiful doing it and really great, but everyoneās around her and sheās practically naked.
Iām pretty transfixed by [dreams]. I link them to the way I perform. I donāt see any separation, because when you sing thereās a psychic journey that happens.
Do you write a lot of poetry?
I garner my songs from my poetry. If anything looks like itās vibrating, yeah. But itās a raw thing.
Was the Live at Sin-Ć© EP, released in November of ā93, supposed to hold people over until the album comes out?
No, it served that purpose, but no, itās just because I love that place.
How often have you played there?
Iāve played there a lot. I played there for over a year. At first I couldnāt get a slot. Shane [Doyle], the owner, had too many demos to listen to. I gave him a demo and a review, which is something I never ever, ever fucking do: pay credence to any one journalistās opinion. But this was a good review. [laughs] Some positive, some negative. Mainly the negative stuff was my fault.
So I thought that maybe I could get a gig at this little place because I wanted to play in little places to establish my sound and do the work and learn how to sing the way I wanted to sing. Because I didnāt have any teachers. There were teachers around Sin-Ć© to teach what I needed to learn, but Shane couldnāt be bothered.
Then somebody crapped out on a bunch of Monday nights and my friend Daniel Harnett got me in. He said, āIām doing one, and so you can do one too.ā I was like, āWow, thank you.ā As it turned out, that was it. Bang! I really worked my ass off to get that gig and get others and to make money.
How did you hook up with Columbia Records?
They came to me. I didnāt intend for them to. I was just making music.
Were they the only label that came to you?
Nope. I met Clive Davis. Shook his hand. I met Seymour Stein. Seymourās at Sire; Clive is at Arista. A lot of people were interested. I met somebody from RCA. Peter Koepke at London.
Were they in the audience at your shows? Then theyād come up to you afterward?
Yeah, and I didnāt really like it. I didnāt like Clive showing up in a limousine on the Lower East Side, in a fine suit. Poor guy ā it was so hot in that fucking room.
This was Sin-Ć©, right?
Yep, you were there ā like a fucking furnace. In the middle of the fucking summer. I had my shirt off; the guyās still in his work clothes ācause his life is fully air-conditioned.
Did you have any misgivings about signing?
Of course I did. Being brought up around the music business in Los Angeles, you see the turnover of people being signed and dropped day after day after day, and itās all written off as a tax loss. To the company, itās no sweat off their nose.
But here in New York itās more about the work, and you donāt get anywhere without the work and thatās what I was doing. But I had misgivings about the size of the places. I had misgivings about my deservedness, about how good I was. I had misgivings about who they thought I was and what they thought I was. And how I wasnāt what they thought. At all.
Which is? Donāt record companies think that every male solo performer with a guitar is the New Dylan?
No, they thought I was the second coming of Tim Buckley. [quietly] Thatās what I thought they thought.
Is that a recurring worry of yours?
It was that as a child. But now Iām totally immersed in what I do. If someone asks a question about it, I just tell them as much truth about things as I know. I had no misgivings once I saw my first and only liaison to Columbia Records, [former head of A&R] Steve Berkowitz. He was there from a pretty early stage, just listening. Which is what he does. Because he loves music. And heās smart. And heās smart enough to work this fucking gig at Columbia and to do a good job. The personnel here [at Columbia] are what really changed my worries, but Iām really worried up until, like, now.
How would you describe your sound?
I canāt explain it because Iām actually confused. Itās not really a tremendous literary feat to describe it. Itās just an amalgam of everything Iāve ever loved and everything thatās ever inspired me. Iām using that now.
How do the Columbia folks describe you?
They donāt know. At a recent convention I played in Boca Raton for A&R folks at like 11 in the morning, the guy that introduced me said, āWe really donāt know what this is. We donāt know what kind of record heās gonna make. We just know he has to make it.ā
ā¦ a.k.a. āIntroducing the boy geniusā¦ā
Iām not a boy genius. Iām neither one, actually. But Iām aware that these people have to move units. Iām aware that this company, by inertia alone, has an agenda. That it can function without me, and I can function without it. But thereās a certain thing that I canāt have without it, and thatās making little plastic discs and traveling the world and being a musician, and they seem to want me. A lot. And I feel that where Iām going is worthwhile, that maybe when I get there this all will have been ā¦ whatever crappy shit Iāve ever done will be redeemed.
Do you think youāll ever get there?
Sure. Or youāll find me swinging from somebodyās dressing room [laughs] with a big blue arm holding a Jam tape.